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| SILVER01HDW 2/15/2025 8:00:27 AM | FG 2-13 results ~Edited by: SILVER01HDW on: 2/15/2025 at: 8:00:27 AM~
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| jeff 2/15/2025 5:59:14 PM | Well aware. First noticed it yesterday morning while downloading Feb charts. Sent an email to HDW earlier today when the file wasn't up within 24 hrs. Was told the following: Reason for delay is file failed Ron's sanity checking routines which are still active. Bad data was generated by track personnel and then subsequently transmitted by Equibase on to their data resellers including HDW. File will go up as soon as the track gets it straightened out and Equibase transmits corrected data on to HDW. Imo, this is a case of things working as they should. Bad data was caught vs. being memorialized in our databases. -jp .
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| SILVER01HDW 2/17/2025 6:18:53 AM | Looks like we are going to have another GP Jan 8 issue.... Where is Jim Cramer in all of this? My thoughts , they have no idea what the issue is or how to decipher the result exceptions... I think they're just going to disable all of Ron's checks and let everything thru... Forget about the integrity chart fixes that we do by the 15th.. IMO
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| jeff 2/17/2025 11:23:24 AM | Cut and paste from an email I received early this morning from HDW: "Lastly, we hope to receive an update on FG from 2/13/2025 today, but we also have encountered an issue with OP 2/16/2025. We will update you on both. Have a great day. Regards, Ryan" Yesterday's OP 02-16-2025 chart file was flagged as bad by one of Ron's traps. HDW sent a request to Equibase for correction. Equibase transmitted corrected data back to HDW. And the chart file went up on the server in a timely manner. The same scenario has played out multiple times with other charts since Ron's passing. The FG chart is more involved. In R4 if you scrutinize the positions of the horses at each call there are two dead heats using beaten lengths. But the times and the positions of the horses involved do not sync to the beaten lengths. At the finish call the second and third place finishers are both listed with 4.5 beaten lengths. Yet their positions are not identical nor are their times. At the 3/4 point of call there are two horses listed with 2.5 beaten lengths. Yet their positions are not identical nor are their times. Ron's trap flagged this as something that needs to be confirmed before the chart file can go up. It was kicked back to Equibase who in turn asked the track for clarification. To me this a once in a blue moon data error and it's not something Equibase has the ability to fix. Nor would I want them to rubber stamp it. It requires review and correction by someone at the track. And that is what HDW is waiting on. I get it if you just want to vent. I want the FG 02-13-2025 chart file too. As well as the data and chart files for the 01-08-2025 GP card. I'm leveraging Prob Expressions which learn from the data. For me every previous race card matters when I bet today's races. (Even one missing recent race card has the ability to throw my stuff off.) That said, I suspect the FG 02-13-2025 chart file goes up soon after FG track personnel gets the correction to Equibase. The 01-08-2025 GP card? I honestly don't know. I feel like I pushed HDW to get that done as much as I can without being a dick. Now you know what I know. -jp .
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| SILVER01HDW 2/17/2025 6:43:47 PM | Your right , I was venting because I had to hold up my DB Funny thing Twinspires results are up and I'm guessing there's no one even aware of there's something wrong..they use Brisnet...not sue if EB supplies them too... Sorry about that.. ~Edited by: SILVER01HDW on: 2/17/2025 at: 6:43:47 PM~
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| jeff 2/18/2025 8:34:41 AM | All of the data originates at Equibase. From there, it gets sold/distributed to Brisnet, DRF, HDW, Post Time Daily, TrackMaster, etc. That's correct. Highly likely no one using Brisnet result files has any idea the FGX 02-13-2025 file contained bad data. Also highly likely almost no one using their data has any idea 50% plus of all race cards undergo at least one chart correction during the 45 days chart results are available for download at the HDW site. AND looking just now: The FG0213F.ZIP file just went up on the HDW site. -jp .
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| SILVER01HDW 2/18/2025 1:43:15 PM | Let us know what has been fixed...
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| jeff 2/18/2025 4:39:24 PM | Disclaimer: I'm posting the original beaten lengths from memory based on what I recall seeing before the correction. Also: Don't be alarmed by the empty beaten lengths. JCapper source code forces empty beaten lengths equal to 0 or zero. That means the horse was in front at that point of call. FGX 02-13-2025 R4 Screenshot #1 from track video showing the 2nd and 3rd place finishers at the wire. The 4 is definitely about a head in front of the 10. So it looks like they got that part right.  I'll come back to this thread and post an update when I have more free time. But right now as I type this I'm not convinced the FG chart caller got the 3/4 call right. Watching video I'm not seeing any horse within a head of the 1 at any of the poles on the backstretch. -jp .
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| jeff 2/19/2025 12:41:20 AM | Watching video with a clear head and without having to rush out to be somewhere, I can clearly see the horses bunch up at the 1/4 Pole after having run 6f or 3/4 mile. At this point in the race the 1 and 2 are close enough to each other for me to say the comment I made at the end of my previous post is wrong. The FG chart caller has it right in the corrected chart. -jp .
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| SILVER01HDW 2/19/2025 6:40:08 AM | Excellent!! On to Jan 8th
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| jeff 2/24/2025 8:15:11 AM | Weekend Update, no not SNL... HDW Chart Files not up yet from this past weekend: FGX Sat 02-22-2025 HOU Sun 02-23-2025 -jp .
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| jeff 2/24/2025 9:43:20 AM | And... Both went up a few minutes ago. -jp .
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| jeff 2/24/2025 12:10:22 PM | Just an fyi, These last two are good examples of stuff caught by Ron's traps: Track-Date-Race Descr -jp .
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| SILVER01HDW 2/24/2025 6:49:51 PM | Looks like they are catching on to Rons traps ...thumbs up... ~Edited by: SILVER01HDW on: 2/24/2025 at: 6:49:51 PM~
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| SILVER01HDW 3/8/2025 6:45:10 AM | Ho Hum.... another day ... Missing results all 3-7-25 Friday Bourbon Night :) PS- Since we are coming up on the 10th of the month , Do you notice that the chart corrections are more or less than when Ron was doing it ...Jeff? ~Edited by: SILVER01HDW on: 3/8/2025 at: 6:41:23 AM~ ~Edited by: SILVER01HDW on: 3/8/2025 at: 6:44:28 AM~ ~Edited by: SILVER01HDW on: 3/8/2025 at: 6:45:10 AM~
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| SILVER01HDW 3/8/2025 7:35:29 AM | Hangover ended 8:30am...
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| jeff 3/8/2025 10:22:26 AM | Chart Corrections Ron set up HDW Chart Corrections to run as an automated process that runs several times a day at regularly scheduled intervals. That process has been running like clockwork. Each time the Chart Corrections process is run a log file is updated. You can actually see the log file at the link below. Corrected/Modified Thoroughbred Charts Last 45 days: http://jcapper.horsedata.com/Corrected_Charts_Log_Text/Corrected_ChartsT.txt After clicking the link log into the HDW JCapper File Download site using your HDW username/password. How to read: The log file contains two columns. • Track Date Race for each Chart is reported in the left column. • Date and Timestamp of the most recent correction made to each Chart is reported in the right column. New Chart Files Chart Corrections to existing chart files is an automated process. However, making NEW chart files isn't automated. Each new chart file is reviewed or approved for data integrity first. Was it flagged by any of Ron's traps? If so, someone needs to work the problem. Is there a data integrity issue that wasn't flagged by an existing trap? If so, someone needs to work the problem. AFTER every chart for a race card gets approved then a New Chart File gets made (not before.) Last night before I turned in none of the chart files for Fri March 7, 2025 had been made. This morning when I got up a few hours ago ALL of the chart files for Fri March 7, 2025 had been made. -jp .
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| SILVER01HDW 3/8/2025 10:37:33 AM | thx for that... looks like the 10th is best for the month before fixes
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| jeff 3/8/2025 10:54:29 AM | Historically about 55% of all race cards undergo one or more chart corrections. From what I can see Equibase isn't proactive. Basically Equibase relies on crowd sourcing and is using the public to scrub their data. On the plus side Equibase is really good about effecting chart corrections in a timely manner as they are received. As a result, a high percentage of the important or significant chart corrections take place during the first few days after a race has been run. With the less significant chart corrections trickling in during the days and weeks that follow. -jp .
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