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| rkskipster 4/1/2012 5:20:15 PM | thank you very much for your reply to new pace thread. dave is one of the biggest husksters. buy this I will improve and charge more and almost a betting machine. the regs from PA drove me from pa because of the lies . I could say much more not now --thanks WINDOOR
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| Charlie James 4/2/2012 5:03:33 PM | That thread at paceadvantage is the perfect example why I refuse to post there. Patrick, an unhappy new pace customer, re-posted a quote from Dave: "NewPace has evolved to the point where it may be a real turn-key profit machine." That quote reminded me of guys you'd find standing on a soapbox in the middle of a carnival somewhere hawking miracle wrinkle cream back in days when I was about 13. (And that was a while ago.) But, the players posting at paceadvantage are adults and as adults they are entitled to their opinions. Apparently, Patrick's opinion about new pace (and Dave) is a minority opinion. Maybe that's as it should be. But the thing that bothers me about this thread are the actions of Mike the site owner. He jumps in, piles on, and ridicules Patrick too. For my money: NO ONE, Patrick included, deserves that kind of treatment for simply voicing an opinion.
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| rkskipster 4/2/2012 5:29:37 PM | Charli you hit it on the head. like I was saying now they pile on to pk . now pa says it looks he is deranged. i really like the " it does not pay enough to enter pa contests" WTF $20000 I will show how to win ,but to much work for me ????? rk PS jeff; did you not you say that dave said that you sought his advice? 3to 5 yrs. ago on PA
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| Tom C 4/3/2012 1:43:52 AM | Isn't Dave an authorized advertiser on Pace Advantage? Would that influence PA's comments?
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| JimG 4/3/2012 7:00:22 AM | If Jeff, instead of Schwartz, had been repeatedly publicly trashed by the same guy for over a year, would you still feel the same? Jim
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| jeff 4/3/2012 12:24:29 PM | Jeff wouldn't appreciate constant trashing. But then Jeff had foresight enough not to put himself in that situation...  Before going to HSH, Patrick contacted me about JCapper. It would have been really easy for me to "close" him and take his money. But that wouldn't have been right. JCapper requires an understanding of computer operating systems and at least some understanding of databases. Wagering successfully on horses requires a mindset that far exceeds "handicapping" or "making picks." After a brief interview I decided Patrick wasn't ready for a program like JCapper and the things I'd be trying to teach him. I recommended he consider some computer classes (either online or at a community college) first. I also told him: "Without the minimum level of computer literacy in place I can't help you." -jp .
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| JimG 4/3/2012 12:50:34 PM | Jeff, I am sure you saved yourself from headaches by going the route you did. And to clarify, I think Patrick has every right to voice his displeasure with a product he bought, even on a public forum if he so chooses. What I was referring to is the fact that he has started several threads over the last year with the identical complaints over a $47 purchase (NP). I think that is what PA has a problem with as well. Throw in the fact that Schwartz is a paid advertiser there and it puts PA in a tough position. BTW, you don't have to be a computer scientist to read and profit from the html reports you provide. Knowing what works at your track(s) of choice long and short term coupled with daily observation gets one a big leg up on the competition with the unique JCapper figs. Jim ~Edited by: JimG on: 4/3/2012 at: 12:50:34 PM~
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| Charlie James 4/3/2012 1:12:49 PM | Jeff, That's a perfect illustration of how YOU conduct yourself vs. what Dave does. If you'll recall, a while back I asked you to post your own FREE version of a sql UDM replicating new pace in the private section of this board. You did. I will state for the record that what you posted provided a true as good or better flat win bet roi starting point than the new pace algorithm sold by Dave. Further, in your explanation, you pretty clearly demonstrated (at least to me) how factors other than early and late pace were responsible for the 0.95-ish flat win bet roi... that's roi to $1.00. I never formally thanked you. You should know that I was able to take that UDM as a starting point -- modify it a skosh -- and work it into my own arsenal for live play. The roi for that little UDM is still holding up nicely. Muchas Garcias. ~Edited by: Charlie James on: 4/3/2012 at: 1:12:49 PM~
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| rkskipster 4/3/2012 6:39:22 PM | jeff or charli could someone point me to the thread on the np udm.jeff you made the right decision about pk, but you also have a money back guarantee. Jimg I respect you alot --(I have learned many things from your typings) but do use new pace?? or any of dave's products? as always thanx in advance rick
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| JimG 4/3/2012 7:34:19 PM | Hi rkskipster, Thanks for the compliment. In answer to your inquiry, I bought original NewPace but I do not use newpace nor any of Dave Schwartz' products. Jim ~Edited by: JimG on: 4/3/2012 at: 7:34:19 PM~
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| jeff 4/3/2012 7:12:45 PM | Rkskipster, You'll find that particular thread in the private area of the board. (I just bumped it so as to make it appear on top.) -jp .
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| rkskipster 4/4/2012 7:07:14 AM | thanks to all who replied. rick
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| Windoor 4/16/2012 9:50:56 PM | I',m a little late finding this thread. Glad I could contribute. Seems I am causing much trouble in the new Cafe thread. I won' t be posting there much for a while. Some find my views a little hard to take. What a hoot. Windoor.
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| JustRalph 5/1/2012 3:42:24 AM | Just for the record, Patrick is a strange duck. I have met him and spent a couple of days around him at Saratoga (he was in our tent with the other group, Ted's group) and he seemed like a very nice guy who was completely different from his posting persona on PA. But he did have a weird kind of side to him. He was very cordial though. I do know that he was warned by Dave about how hard it was going to be for him to get a grip on HSH stuff. I heard this straight from Patrick. I think Dave made a mistake taking him into the fold. Ted Craven spent lots of time with him at Toga when I was there. Btw, I don't think Mike at PA cares at all about one advertiser over another. He and I have discussed it. He just applies whatever he makes toward his bandwidth costs. I think he is still losing money btw. A while back he had a major crash. The ISP provider of his bandwidth had to work with him to get the board back up and immediately terminated his contract because he was on an old agreement that gave him a great deal on bandwidth. The agreement had technically expired and the ISP hadn't noticed until they had the problem. The rate tripled if I remember right. Mike moved to a new server too.
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